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Chengdu public complains about traffic

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Chengdu residents are not very happy about the city's traffic, and who can blame them? Taxi fares have just increased, the nearly-open subway might not go where they need to, and there are just too many vehicles on the road.

Late last week, a forum poster started a thread titled "Appeal for Help: Constructed Traffic Jams Should Be Managed. The thread quickly heated up, and by Sunday evening there were over 300 posts in it, with citizens offering their ideas and opinions on why Chengdu's traffic is so bad and what to do about it.

The original post:

This is Caoshi Jie, next to the parking lot for the government administrative buildings. Every morning at around 9 o'clock, there's simply a mess of cars, electric bicycles, bicycles, pedestrians all suffering an unspeakable misery. Why is it like this every day? Hopefully the relevant departments can harmonize and manage this. Actually, it's quite simple: The parking lot opens at 9:30; if it would open half an hour earlier, the residents would be able to commute through smoothly!

A selection of thread responses:
1: The transportation department doesn't know what to do, they only know how to manage vehicles, not people. I don't think these people are color-blind, they're just weak-minded!!!!!!

2: The most annoying are the rickshaws

3: It's still not as congested as Shunjiang Lu.

4: It's not strange at all, over 80 percent of Chengdu's traffic jams are created by people from the relevant departments.

5: People don't yield to vehicles, vehicles don't yield to people. You don't yield to me, I don't yield to you. All of this just to snatch one or two seconds. Everybody come together in traffic jams—the heart is wider than the road!

6: How can this be regarded as a traffic jam? I'm often stuck in traffic for over half an hour to go the distance between two bus stations, I'm already used to it.

7: How normal....

8: Jinhua Town and Cuqiao Lijiaci are jammed up much worse than this every night. The traffic police can only direct the traffic by abusing these wicked people or even by beating them. I hope that a bureau can dispatch official police to train "leather shoe" folks. They're too savage.

9: The worst are the rickshaws, they don't obey anything, they're always getting fined, now the streets are full of them

10: Chengdu traffic, a local can only say one thing: officials have no plan, the people have no inherent goodness.

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11: The past two days I've been stuck in two traffic jams. The day before yesterday was when I was going home from work on the 45 bus. On Guangfu Qiao Jie I was stuck for half an hour, sheesh, it used to be just be a 10-minute drive and now it's more than 40. Last night near Shuinianhe I waited half an hour for the 34 bus, and then five buses in a row came. Sucks.

12: I agree with the above commenter. It's the motor vehicles making the traffic jams. The relevant department should pay more attention to the non-motorized vehicles encroaching upon the motor-vehicle lanes, the motor vehicles running red lights, etc. Anybody breaking the law should be heavily fined (I suggest a fine of RMB100) and at the same time detain the vehicle.

14: Forget it, nowhere in Chengdu has traffic jams, how can those relevant departments have any time to manage this? They don't even have enough time to think about where everybody can go to eat and drink, how could they possibly take any time to bother with the affairs of the small ordinary residents?

15: In the city, just drive an electric bike, don't even try to drive a car

16: Actually, neither the motorized nor the non-motorized vehicles are at fault. The party at fault are the relevant departments for not enforcing any of the rules of the road. And there are more and more cars ...

18: You know, in Singapore, it's always been cars yielding to people, I've never heard of people yielding to cars. Singapore is really people-centric!

20: There are too many people coming into Chengdu from outside the city, it's too crowded if all the people live in Chengdu, the burden on the city is abnormally heavy. No wonder that vegetables and rice are so expensive now, there's no classification of people, everybody just moves right into the city. Now there are more people from outside the city than city locals ...

22: A tragedy I saw the other day: in front of the Beihu bus station there's an intersection, a woman riding on her electric bike rode through some fresh cement and it all sprayed up onto her bike. The bike was changed beyond recognition and the rider was even worse off! No matter if it's people yielding to cars or cars yielding to people, the problem is nobody has safety awareness.

23: Speaking frankly, in Chengdu, most of those driving, walking, riding an electric or pedal bike, and especially those taking Chengdu's taxis, are really annoying. I want to say they're really uneducated but actually they are educated people, so how can this kind of situation occur? My analysis is that it's a fight with time. Actually most people have this inherent goodness, but it's just in order to grab that second, I don't yield to you and you don't yield to me. This competition makes the traffic jam. Everybody think about whether you really need to grab those seconds.

360: Chengdunese are falling into ruins, is it really necessary to drive a car to and from work? So many people live and work inside the city, and still want to drive a car to and from work even though it's so near. How much space does a car take up? If your workplace and your home are that close to each other and you still drive your own car to work I despise you greatly. Ride a bike to and from work. Another thing is I get pissed off when I see those water trucks, they were OK before,

363: It really needs to be taken care of. I spent 30 minutes and RMB15 going from Qinglong Jie to Caoshi Jie, WTF! Chengdu really is a city you can't escape once you arrive [a riff on the city motto of "Chengdu: A City You Don't Want to Leave"]

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This article was posted by Jane and published September 20, 2010

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Comments

    • Clayuk
      September 20, 2010
    • I have only been in Chengdu for a month and my biggest gripe is the traffic. Everybody wants that extra second, drivers are to impatient. Also nobody indicates. I have already since six accidents outside my apartment in one month.

    • invisible
      September 20, 2010
    • http://gochengdoo.com/[...]
      Seems like nothing happened since then.

      I don't see the practical purpose of rickshaws, they are more expensive than taxis (per km), low-range (2km), less comfortable, safe. I thought they were already banned within the 2nd ring road? (but they should keep them in the suburbs, where it's hard to find a taxi).

      22nd is the car-free day, looks like the streets around tianfu square will be off-limits to cars during the day. Let's see what's going to happen.

    • Jake
      September 20, 2010
    • I think there's a really simple solution to this problem, and I am not referring to going all "Beijing" on the traffic situation in Chengdu.

      Instead of building all of those damned annoying "sky-bridges" to cope with the traffic situation and wasting crucial resources, I think the real solution is to tax the hell out of cars. Everyone wants a car not for transportation, but for showing their status.

      If the government just took the Japanese route (a country with one of the worst records for population density) and taxed cars to a level of unaffordability, then only a small percentage of Chengdu's population could buy cars and the rest would either have to carpool or commute by public transportation (problem being that Chengdu's public transportation sucks—one cannot even find a taxi 80% of the time.

      However, it is the only way. These lame sky-bridges are just a pain-in-the-ass and they're wasting infrastructural resources. Chengdu's local government doesn't have a plan, because they're afraid to get their hands dirty. I've been here for 2 years and the situation has only gotten worse. Talk about a clueless government.

    • invisible
      September 20, 2010
    • @jake

      I prefer to tax real costs of cars, for example one calculation could be taxing the land use. So if you own a car you have to purchase land, since you use it and nobody else can use it, a car takes at least 10sqm in traffic and at least 25sqm when parking. At a very modest rate of let's say RMB5000 per sqm you'd have to pay RMB 50,000 for the use of your car in traffic. And that's just driving around. Additionally you'd need like 2-3 parking lots (home, work, shopping/leisure/etc).

      Another problem is the many gov cars, it's said that 25% of them are not necessary, and that's a statement from the top!

      I share your passionate hate for the sky-bridges.

    • Jake
      September 20, 2010
    • @invisible

      I find your tax equation to be intriguing. It certainly would limit the use of cars unnecessarily, and would definitely make cars more expensive, however, I think that tax is still too low. The problem is that there are car manufacturers like Chinese company Geely who recently bought Volvo and the ever infamous Chery who produces the QQ that make cars to affordable even for the poorest of Chengdu locals.

      It's estimated that a QQ costs somewhere around 20,000 yuan and that's after tax, from what I understand. Adding a 50,000 yuan tax to even offset that ridiculously low price for a car is not that intimidating. A good majority of people could still afford such a price.

      I am not sure how the government would go about taxing cars in Chengdu, and in fact, I have not done enough research on Japanese car tax either, so I don't know much about how it works. I do know this: The majority of Chinese-made cars are too affordable, and foreign cars are too heavily taxed. That seems like heavy-handed market control to me...I mean, not that I am surprised. If Chinese-made cars were just as unaffordable as their foreign counterparts, who would buy them? That's why Audi, BMW, Benz, etc. have all become status symbols in China, because generally only a minority of the people can afford them.

      P.S. I am glad someone shares my hatred of the sky-bridges.

    • spandolf
      September 20, 2010
    • Here are my traffic solutions:

      1. Lanes on the crossways to separate people walking from those on cycles

      2. No more tolerance of cars driving along crossways to avoid waiting for the green light.

      3. Cameras to catch and fine rule breakers, and traffic police who try to unravel the mess when everyone (bikes, rickshaws, cars, and pandas) gets jammed in a knot in the middle of the road.

      4. Police who wave buses over-crowded with passengers through first, not watch while a bus driver gets stuck in the middle of the road, blocking 2 lanes and no one lets him through.

      5. More tunnels under the roads - for example it takes too long for cars to cross Ren Min Nan Lu and this causes massive traffic jams in the ajoining roads - tunnels under Ren Min Nan Lu for cars going East-West would fix such problems.

      6. More focus on transport in an East-West-East direction. Now all roads and buses going East West are more jammed up than those going North South.

      7. Stop running 3 buses in a row, with the front one so full one can breathe and the middle one empty (and with its lights off so no one notices it).

      8. Many buses seem to fill up at one stop and then almost no one gets on or off for the next 10 stops - clearly 90% of the people on that bus do not want a tour through the center of Chengdu. So why not have express buses - the 16 stops all over and the 16X goes a more direct route, missing out the city center.

      9. The bus drivers seem to go off duty at 17:30 and 19:30 - which is exactly when people need them to be driving buses. I mean buses seem to go out of service then and park up at the bus garage.

      10. Everyone please stop wasting each others' time. For example, I am often asked to go to some office to present a document. So I go there. Then 3 days later I am asked to go to the same office and present a different document. If they asked for both at the same time that would be one less journey I had to make.

    • spandolf
      September 20, 2010
    • Here are my alternative traffic solutions:

      1. Take all the buses from Chongqing that are too old to go up hills and send them to Chengdu. We have no hills here and we need more buses.

      2. The bus companies should give all passengers free spider-man style suction gloves so we can cross the bus ceiling, over the heads of the other passengers and actually get out of the exit door.

      3. If the option in 2 is too expensive then introduce crowd surfing as a way to get off the bus.

      4. Build a cinema, fashion mall and 3 McDonald's in every neighborhood not only in Chunxi Road.

      5. Ask the taxi drivers to stop to let passengers get in - currently this only happens in 2 places. One is at the airport and the other is at Minshan Hotel (taxi love Minshan hotel).

    • .h.
      September 20, 2010
    • well. if you go back to the seventies and research some of the us development ideas, you will find cities built for cars and stuff like that. there is a reason it never worked out and it doesnt only seem to be the air pollution. and lets dont talk about a civilized society and chengdu traffic. chengdu is pretty small, inside the second ringroad you can pretty much reach everything by bike. kopenhagen once had the ideas of free bikes. hamburg is doing it now and some other cities i dont know about. but it wouldnt work with so many cars anyway. and then everybody is moving outside 3rd ringroad...new middleclass....they will unite and protest if you take away their car. heard so many people saying that they need their car. some research had been done, in europe changing from car to bike is like changing from democrats to republicans. for some its easy, for some its a revoulution. and the subway wont change anything, for sure. maybe someone should take away the cars of those inside the system, maybe then they will start changing it. does anybody know how many new cars add to the traffic each year? oh, i hate those bridges. can change a neighbourhood like rivers do.

      even more because they are made of stone and if you wear the wrong shoes, you never get to the top.

    • Clayuk
      September 22, 2010
    • 1. Camera's at every set of traffic lights.
      2. Stop cars from turning left and right whilst on a red light, (so many accidents caused by this problem)
      3. Double Decker buses

      4. Tax expensive imported cars.
      5. The car is a big status symbol in Chengdu. Make a Gucci or Louis Vuitton bicycle with diamond handle bars.
      6. Everybody should wear helmets

    • winanddrive
      January 24, 2011
    • this could be interesting

      Beijing to broadcast live first ever car license lottery

      " Beijing is ready to kick off its first ever car license plates lottery, to be broadcast live both on TV and over the Internet on Jan. 26, said officials with the allotment office Saturday.
      A total of 17,600 car license plates will be allocated to qualified individual applicants through the lottery, in keeping with the principles of openness, fairness and equity, according to the office.
      Validation for the first batch of 210,178 individual applicants has been completed, and the office will make public the results, as well as lottery time and rules, on Tuesday.
      The first group of car license plates for institut"

      http://news.xinhuanet.com/[...]

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